This article began as a collection of verses that concern the topic of Church authority. |
The idea being to share things I’ve come across as new and unknown may also be new and unknown to others. |
Since we’ve taken religion out of schools and effectively society as well we’ve certainly spiraled down hill quickly, to recover at any type of pace I believe means we need to embrace our brothers and sisters in faith more than we do now. |
I feel some personal background may help to explain. |
I had no religion in my house growing up, unless drugs and alcohol are a religion. My Dad is a Vietnam Veteran and he worked with what he had, he and my mother divorced, it was all normal as I knew.
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That’s not said to garner sympathy, not having two parents around did well to nourish my devilish side, and that’s not to brag, but rather lend to my standing that I write from experience.
What experience? Well I don’t intend to write a bio here, but I’ve been around the block, part of that involved growing up, which lead to Church, and then back around again, not finding the fulfillment I needed. Here’s a few bible verses that do not, for me, sit right with an “everything is ok” attitude.
- Matthew 8:12 – But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
- Matthew 7:23 – And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
- Luke 13:27 – But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
- Luke 13:28 – There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
- Matthew 22:14 – For many are called, but few are chosen.
- Matthew 7:14 – Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Ok, do you see #1? That is heaven we are talking about, and the children of heaven. Its preceded, for context, by:
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
If you don’t know the context of verses 2 & 3 you need to familiarize yourself with them, in both cases they describe as I can see believers, Christians, perhaps as #1 reads, children of the kingdom. #4 indicates being there, and then being ejected.
I had written we need to embrace our brothers and sisters in faith more than we do now, and I believe we do, and can, but I also believe we need to take a serious look at what it means to be protestant.
If you think that the protestant faith is the true and correct faith, and Catholicism is wrong, ask yourself this question, and of course, answer yourself too.
For the 1500 years before the protestant reformation were the doors to salvation closed?
Seriously, is that how it played out, that until Henry XIII confiscated the existing Churches in England and began the Church of England that all Catholics were doomed?
The reason he did that was in part because he could, he was King and England was subject to his will, and also, he needed yet another divorce, and the Pope at the time denied it, so in this way he was able to get the divorce he desired, that means the Church of England was born out of adultery:
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
And not only adultery, but rebellion, the King rebelled against Papal authority, to be Protestant is to protest the Church and the Pope and is rebellion.
1 Samuel 15:23 – For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
So, there you can see what rebellion is, and…. what is stubbornness? Remember verses 2 & 3 above, how they appear to be believers? Are you stubbornly denying the Catholic Church, thereby, working iniquity?
I don’t think that is even in play. For both sects. Believe in the same thing Jesus being the author and finisher of our faith . Heb.10:12 and that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23.
Protestants dont dwell on the work of sin remittance because Jesus paid the sacrifice one time Heb.1:3 and then sat down.
Work being completed.
Once a person accepts Jesus as Lord . The Holy Spirit indwells. The spirit regenerated and renewed in Christ Jesus .
Although we are understandably religated to reside in these carnal bodies which are tempted to sin by our own doings. For God does not temp. When we sin in this flesh we have a Faithful High Preist . He perfected us forever. There is no more offering for sin. Hebrews 10:10-18
We can go to Jesus and ask for forgiveness as he is faithful to forgive. 1 John 1:9
But rest assured it isnt this sinful flesh he is coming back for . It is that renewed regenerated Spirit housed within it .
We were originally created to live forever. But when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden the allowed sin to enter in which allowed death to reign in their bodies and thus seperating Man from God causing the great rift of sin in man which only Jesus was able to correct.
That correction brought about the ability of man who are saved to now talk to Jesus one on one with out a earthy high preist for our High Priest resides in heaven .Heb. 10:19-21 we can go boldly in by ourselves to Christ through a new and living way through the veil .
So you see each and every Christian already has a High Priest in Jesus and can ar any time seek direct contact with Jesus in prayer for forgiveness of our each ,individual sins.
I wouldnt no more ask a priest to forgive me of my sins as I would a man on the street because there is only one High Priest Jesus.
My question to the article would be this .
Why do Catholics believe that they need someone else to go to Jesus and ask him to forgive that person. When you can just do it yourself. ??
All a very good reply, your last question:
Referring as I understand your question to our using priests in confessional.
I’m going to combine a few responses
The first is
The second
Note how James 5:16 combines with the Centurions faith … but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed., which is said at every Catholic Mass, and Matthew 8:13
…as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.
The third is also in my post
But how they differ is the crux of the thread and goes to authority, if there is no authority bestowed upon Peter then Protestants can do all those things individually as Priests themselves.
If you accept that preaching, listen very carefully to it, as I connected it in my post as well, listen to it, as Luther and others promise it, listen to how similar it sounds to this
That promise from Satan is what separated:
And it is being repeated again:
So, in short, to answer
It is due to faith, we believe that Church authority was bestowed upon Peter,
The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Everything you wrote is good, I like it, but it still does not line up with
That is in play.
Popes are not perfect, neither was Peter, read it again
How do you get past that?
Maybe you just need to flip your thinking, Jesus said we are all servants, and the greatest is the least, maybe look at the Pope as the greatest servant, what does your subjecting yourself to him make you?
Consider also this,
Does God want Satan causing His creation to be as Gods if He is a jealous God?
Would He consume those of His choosing who followed Satan rather than submitted to His Son?
If His Son left His authority to Peter as Pope and you reject that, eat the fruit the devil has provided…
Then can you doubt this is true?
Speaking of ignored verses and prophets…He isn’t speaking to us. But you aren’t wrong about the moral depravity of this country. It is why atheism is part of Marxism. You can’t do what they say to do unless you are without God.
edit: The Nazis at Gab don’t like these either.
There’s certainly no intent to ignore verses, yours as posted were for a time, now is a different time
But please, lets not turn from the question of how you ignore Romans 13 and the fact there has been a Pope for 2k years, they’ve been chased out, down and underground, to the point it almost appeared prevailed against… almost.
I must say, my entering the RCC was assisted in my desire to obtain an annulment, to not leave room for adultery, that desire required an act of submission, I could not ask the Church for it and not believe it had the authority to perform it. (bind on earth as bound in heaven)
That’s where faith comes in, for anything the Church does, you must believe it has the power to do.
And what is faith?
Good reply
Right, it’s the dispensation of grace given to Paul for us. To drive Israel to jealousy.
Israel for those that don’t know was split into Judah and Israel. They are to be restored and the Son of David will rule from Jerusalem. You, and many others, keep posting those things for Israel that are not for us. The “protestants” are often just as guilty.