Lets review another matter also understood differently among the two folds, Catholic and Protestant.

I say fold as Protestants are Christian despite their rejection of the Church, they confess the Father and the Son, that Jesus is Lord, virgin birth, the Trinity, seemingly everything short of submission to the Pope and membership in the Catholic Church.

I recently had a Protestant explain to me that Priests can not forgive sin,

protestant quote Only God has that power. The power to forgive Sin is Divine. Only in accepting Jesus and his sacrifice are they forgiven

After His resurrection Jesus appeared to the apostles and said:

John 20:23 – Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

That was after Matthew 16:18 and also after:

Matthew 18:18 – Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Two instances where Jesus bestows His authority,  two appear to be general, and one appears to be exclusively forgiveness of sin.

Did Jesus bestow that authority only on those present, the early church leaders, or again, to all believers?

In the Old Testament we have a curious verse:

Genesis 3:22 – And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

man is become as one of us… a form of divinity?

Our adversary, Satan, foretold of that…..

Genesis 3:5 – For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

What should we make of that, why is this all so twisted?

At the moment, I assume we could all agree there is authority bestowed by Jesus, and Jesus Himself tells of such an authority, in a parable:

Mark 13:34 – For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

If this authority is to Protestants why do they not practice forgiving sins?

Or, can it be said they truly do, to mean if your brother wrongs you, and you forgive him, that he is indeed forgiven?

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  1. I don’t think that is even in play. For both sects. Believe in the same thing Jesus being the author and finisher of our faith . Heb.10:12 and that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 6:23.

    Protestants dont dwell on the work of sin remittance because Jesus paid the sacrifice one time Heb.1:3 and then sat down.
    Work being completed.
    Once a person accepts Jesus as Lord . The Holy Spirit indwells. The spirit regenerated and renewed in Christ Jesus .
    Although we are understandably religated to reside in these carnal bodies which are tempted to sin by our own doings. For God does not temp. When we sin in this flesh we have a Faithful High Preist . He perfected us forever. There is no more offering for sin. Hebrews 10:10-18
    We can go to Jesus and ask for forgiveness as he is faithful to forgive. 1 John 1:9
    But rest assured it isnt this sinful flesh he is coming back for . It is that renewed regenerated Spirit housed within it .
    We were originally created to live forever. But when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden the allowed sin to enter in which allowed death to reign in their bodies and thus seperating Man from God causing the great rift of sin in man which only Jesus was able to correct.

    That correction brought about the ability of man who are saved to now talk to Jesus one on one with out a earthy high preist for our High Priest resides in heaven .Heb. 10:19-21 we can go boldly in by ourselves to Christ through a new and living way through the veil .
    So you see each and every Christian already has a High Priest in Jesus and can ar any time seek direct contact with Jesus in prayer for forgiveness of our each ,individual sins.
    I wouldnt no more ask a priest to forgive me of my sins as I would a man on the street because there is only one High Priest Jesus.

    My question to the article would be this .
    Why do Catholics believe that they need someone else to go to Jesus and ask him to forgive that person. When you can just do it yourself. ??

  2. All a very good reply, your last question:

    Referring as I understand your question to our using priests in confessional.

    I’m going to combine a few responses

    The first is

    • The Centurions faith example in my post,

    The second

    • James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed…

    Note how James 5:16 combines with the Centurions faith … but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed., which is said at every Catholic Mass, and Matthew 8:13
    …as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.

    The third is also in my post

    • John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    But how they differ is the crux of the thread and goes to authority, if there is no authority bestowed upon Peter then Protestants can do all those things individually as Priests themselves.

    If you accept that preaching, listen very carefully to it, as I connected it in my post as well, listen to it, as Luther and others promise it, listen to how similar it sounds to this

    then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,

    That promise from Satan is what separated:

    And it is being repeated again:

    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    So, in short, to answer

    It is due to faith, we believe that Church authority was bestowed upon Peter,

    The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

    Everything you wrote is good, I like it, but it still does not line up with

    That is in play.

    Popes are not perfect, neither was Peter, read it again

    How do you get past that?

    Maybe you just need to flip your thinking, Jesus said we are all servants, and the greatest is the least, maybe look at the Pope as the greatest servant, what does your subjecting yourself to him make you?

    Consider also this,

    Does God want Satan causing His creation to be as Gods if He is a jealous God?

    Would He consume those of His choosing who followed Satan rather than submitted to His Son?

    If His Son left His authority to Peter as Pope and you reject that, eat the fruit the devil has provided…

    Then can you doubt this is true?

  3. Avatar for Nick Nick says:

    5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

    Speaking of ignored verses and prophets…He isn’t speaking to us. But you aren’t wrong about the moral depravity of this country. It is why atheism is part of Marxism. You can’t do what they say to do unless you are without God.

    edit: The Nazis at Gab don’t like these either.

  4. There’s certainly no intent to ignore verses, yours as posted were for a time, now is a different time

    But please, lets not turn from the question of how you ignore Romans 13 and the fact there has been a Pope for 2k years, they’ve been chased out, down and underground, to the point it almost appeared prevailed against… almost.

    I must say, my entering the RCC was assisted in my desire to obtain an annulment, to not leave room for adultery, that desire required an act of submission, I could not ask the Church for it and not believe it had the authority to perform it. (bind on earth as bound in heaven)

    That’s where faith comes in, for anything the Church does, you must believe it has the power to do.

    And what is faith?

    Good reply

  5. Avatar for Nick Nick says:

    Right, it’s the dispensation of grace given to Paul for us. To drive Israel to jealousy.

    Israel for those that don’t know was split into Judah and Israel. They are to be restored and the Son of David will rule from Jerusalem. You, and many others, keep posting those things for Israel that are not for us. The “protestants” are often just as guilty.

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